Glocks and M&Ps. There can be only one.

Look, I’m just going to say it.  I don’t like Glocks.

I know I’m alienating all the fan-boys and the mall ninjas and I’m sorry, dudes.  I tried to write an extremely gentle, reassuring comparison of the Glock 19 and the Smith and Wesson M&P 9, but it was obvious even to me, that I just don’t like Glocks despite my best efforts to the contrary.  So, if you need to unfriend me on Facebook, now is the time.  It’s cool. I totally understand why we’re breaking up. It’s not me, it’s you.

Here’s the problem: I think shooting a staple gun is more fun than shooting a Glock.  I keep waiting to be proven wrong, but it’s not happening.  In fact, I recently rented some Glocks at the range in the hopes of understanding the deep love that folks have for these pistols, but all I got out of it was sore hands and more puzzlement.

I rented the Glock 26 and the 19, both Gen 4.  The 26 seemed good at first.  I liked the size, and there was still plenty of real-estate for both of my hands, especially with the grip extension magazine. I was drilling out the center of the target almost instantly. “Ok”, I thought, “Now we’re making progress”. But then the pinching began.  Apparently, the magazine shifts ever so slightly as the gun cycles, which resulted in my tender hand-meats getting trapped between the unforgiving polymer jaws of the magazine extension and mag well. (Note: I hate pinching).

No problem.  Maybe it was just the 26.  Perhaps there are other Glocks I would like.  So, I tried the 19.  I found there was appreciably less pinching.  So far, so good.  But then other problems became apparent.  The ultra aggressive grip texture on the light-weight frame, for example, is a bit like covering your aluminum baseball bat in course grit sand paper and then trying to hit 100 mph pitches.  True, you won’t drop the bat, but you won’t want to hold on to it for very long either.  Also, what’s with those weird front strap finger grooves?  They seemed like more of an impediment to a comfortable grip than a useful feature.  And then there’s the unfortunate side-effect of shooting a Glock for any prolonged period of time– it starts to feel like you’re trying to catch Chuck Norris’s foot, mid-round-house kick.  Allegedly, the Gen 4 Glocks are supposed to have a new recoil spring assembly that reduces perceived recoil, which is funny because the recoil is still really perceptible.

(A brief aside: I’m not particularly recoil-shy, in general.  I love shooting 1911s and other larger caliber handguns, as well as shotguns and rifles. My Mosin-Nagant is one of my favorite guns to take to the range, despite the large bruise on my shoulder that I inevitably come home with.  There is a difference between the giddy fun that is shooting a large caliber gun, and getting joylessly beat-up by a 9mm).

I’ve heard many Glock devotees confess that the shooting experience leaves much to be desired.  Whiskey tango foxtrot, guys?  Why are you so enthused about a gun that you don’t really like to shoot?  Especially when there are so many other lightweight, reliable polymer pistols on the market today, and more being released all the time?

I get the whole SHTF/easy to get parts and ammo/perfect for my bugout bag thing and I’m a big fan of being prepared.  I have Band-Aids in my house, but I’m not like, “Hey bro!  Wait til you see the flesh-colored, self-adhensive bandages I got!  They are so effective and reliable! You are an IDIOT for considering any other wound protection system over this obviously more awesomely superior first-responder, triage solution”. In fact, it might seem downright peculiar to be so animated about little strips of plastic.  And that’s because they are just tools I have to help me perform a specific task, in this case, staunching blood flow and preventing infections of minor cuts and abrasions.

That’s exactly what a Glock is—it’s a tool, not the end-all, be-all of striker-fired handguns.  Let’s treat it as such.

So here’s my TL;DR breakdown:

Things I like about Glocks

1  Accurate (Duh)

2. Reliable (Double Duh)

3. Simple controls

4. Easy take-down

5. Widely available, cheap parts

6. Angel of grip forces hands into a stable, high position

Things I hate about Glocks

1. Aggro grip texture

2. Weird front finger grooves

3. Materials feel cheap

4. Pinches pinky finger when using extended mag

5. Feels like getting nunchucked in the hands

6. Cordless drills are more fun

Final thoughts:

Would I carry this gun and brag to everyone who will listen about how amaza-increda-ballingly awesome it is, and what a tactical-ninja-eagle-strike-force pirate it makes me?  No.

Would I wrap this gun in a plastic bag and sew it into the headliner of my car in case of zombie apocolypse?  Hell, yes.

51 thoughts on “If it brushed my teeth and answered my emails, then I might consider buying a Glock

  1. I would love to discuss the things you could have done before dismissing an entire brand based on two samples (and there are a lot) but it seems you are dead set against Glocks. Sorry to hear it.

      1. First, I’m disappointed that you based an evaluation of a whole brand of product based on two rented examples. That’s because I feel you were forced into a classic corner, that we, unfortunately force many women into. That is, the advice we give women, with small hands, is to adopt a small gun. This is, in fact, counter to what physics would dictate.

        Understand that the recoil energy of the 9mm bullet is absorbed by the gun, and spread into your hand and arm. A small gun (G26), medium frame gun (G19), and large frame gun (G17) will all see the same recoil, but the larger gun will absorb more of it, and spread it into your hand over a larger area. The same force over a larger area will result in less pressure on your hand.

        So, I would recommend you shoot a Gen4 G17. The larger frame will help with recoil management, and, should you decide to get one, they aren’t that much harder to conceal. One inch doesn’t matter.

        In fact, my wife and daughter both prefer the G17 to either the G19 or G26.

        Okay, let me address your Hate Points.

        1. Unless the gun you rented said “GEN4” on the slide, from the way you describe it, I think the G19 was a GEN3 RTF2 style gun, not a GEN4. The RTF2 had a much more aggressive grip style, and didn’t have to 2-stage recoil spring. The grip was so rough that Glock discontinued it. I’m surprised the range you go to rents them, unless they’re trying to drive business to higher margin guns.

        2. Yes, for some reason the finger grooves on the G19 are closer together than on the G17, to the point where they may not even fit your hand. You should find the G17 grooves a lot easier to use. Even I don’t like the grooves on my G19. Or didn’t. Hello, Dremel.

        3. I can’t help you there, as you offer no definition of “cheap feeling” material.

        4. With the G17’s longer grip, your hand won’t reach the magazine, and won’t be pinched. Another problem solved.

        5. I’ve tested the Gen4 G17 versus the older G17 and G19, and the recoil impulse is much smoother with the 2 stage recoil spring. I haven’t compared it to nunchucks. Sorry.

        6. I don’t know your definition of shooting fun, but I can make 20 9mm diameter holes a lot quicker with my G17 than with my Ryobi.

        As for the fanboi issue, I will say again, for the record, again, that when I find a reliable, dependable gun with available OEM and aftermarket parts, for a similar price, with similar customer support, I will buy it. I’m not married to my Glocks, in fact, I own other brands, when they fit the requirements.

        In fact, I challenge any other manufacturer to develop a program similar to the GSSF, which allows members full access to a factory armorer, including complete replacement of worn parts. Even the Ruger Rimfire Challenge doesn’t do that.

      2. Also, someone mentioned the recoil of the 17, 19, and 26. They were wrong in the actual behavior of Glocks. I compared all three of mine back to back. The Glock 17 has the most perceived recoil, the 19 has a bit less and the 26 has the least. This is likely due to differences in recoil springs and slide momentum.

  2. I don’t really have too much of an issue with Glocks. However I don’t own any and I don’t like shooting them. They point too high b/c the grip angle is too severe. Of the plastic striker fired guns I’d much rather have an XD, XDM or M&P. However 1911 is still my first choice.

  3. I have carried a Glock 19 gen 3 for years and love it. I haven’t had any issues with pinching, thats odd, first I’ve heard of that. I do not consider my self a “fanboy” at all, quite the contrary, I love all different kinds of pistols and buy many different kinds. I love the simplicity of the weapon, I love that it fires when I need it to. Most weapons are solid weapons though, I think it is a pleasure to shoot though. I prefer it over my XDm. Personally I love my XDm but the grip is to long for a daily carry and for prolonged shooting. I’m curious what about the frame makes it seem cheap to you? I think the XDm is more “plasticy” than the Glocks. The M&Ps are fantastic pistols though, and I do love those as well.

    1. I didn’t mean to imply that anyone who likes Glocks is a fanboy, Josh. I just noticed that there seem to be a fair number of people who are of the mind that Glock makes the best handgun out there period, and they frequently want to convince me that I should buy one based solely on how great everyone says they are. I’m sure they are great for some people, just not me. I want to like them. I love practical things in general, and I’m always looking for new guns to love on, but I think Glocks are overrated. I wanted to share that point of view, in case there are people out there who are shopping for a gun and feeling pressured to buy a Glock. My point is: do research and listen to other people’s opinions, but then draw your own conclusions about what gun is right for you.

      Concerning the cheap feel–something about that nylon-based polymer that they use for the frame, combined with the ordnance-grade steel of the slide feel a bit too lightweight for me. I like a little more heft in my guns, even if it’s just the weight of a stainless steel slide. I haven’t handled the XDm enough to compare the two, but if it’s lighter than a Glock, my chances of liking it seem slim.

      But, we can all agree that M&Ps are great, right? 😉

      1. Oh, definitely agreed. 🙂 You had to know you were going to fan a burning ember into a flamer with the post. I think it’s entertaining and fun. The comments have been a bit overreactive but some people take it as a personal offense when you talk about their beloved Glocks. LOL. I love my G19, but I also recognize they aren’t for everyone. Everyone likes a different feel, why do you think there are so many condom manufacturers?!! hahahaha

  4. The rough texture is only causing you a problem because the grip doesn’t fit your hand, and therefore your hand is moving on the grip. With a proper grip, your hand wouldn’t move relative to the pistol, and the texture wouldn’t be a problem. This does not mean there’s a problem with your hands. It just means your hands don’t fit the gun well. Before the GEN4 grip texture, many shooters would apply skateboard taped to the grip to increase the level of friction. This is exactly like your baseball bat analogy. Literally sandpaper. And many people did it because they liked the feel. I don’t like shooting 1911’s because I find a grip too narrow. To each his own.

      1. I handled and tried a bunch before I bought my M&P 9c. No contest, best feel for me. I actually can hit the broad side of a barn with it also. Ha Ha

      1. Sham on you blogging about you opinion and such. We all know that blogs aren’t abut opinions or events in ones life or….. O yeah that is exactly what a blog is.

  5. Trolling your own blog. I also thought that was more than a little strange…like, in, the troll accusing a troll. Sad. If describing your effort to actually find something to like about a Glock, and failing, isn’t something to blog about, I don’t know what is.
    I love my Glock 19 2nd generation. I don’t particularly like my Glock 17 4th generation. Just be aware, the texture of the grips has changed numerous times over the “generations”, and some were winners, some were losers. Also, the grip extensions…Glock makes different length grips for those who want different length grips. If you insist on adding aftermarket parts to extend the grips, you’re not going to experience what Gaston had in mind. Buy a Glock with a longer grip already. I’ve tweaked my trigger parts and springs a bit, so my Glock 19 is superior to what I originally bought. (Let the flaming begin). I actually traded my one and only XD in on a Beretta. That’s the best thing about guns in America, there’s so darn many choices!

  6. I confess. I love Glocks. I did sell all of them but one. My trusty Glock 19 OD. Why do I love it so? After thousands and thousands of rounds not one failure of any kind. It has always gone bang when I tell it to. Also very easy to completely strip down & clean. Why did I sell all my Glocks but one you ask? I discovered German Sig Sauers. mmmm…sigs

  7. If you don’t like Glocks, don’t use them! There are hundreds of different handguns to choose from and there is no reason not to own the one you like the most. If you’re present and there’s a gun fight, it’s not like I’m going to not accept your help because you’re shooting a 1911 or revolver.

  8. Speaking of trolls, Paul McCain strikes again. Accusing someone of trolling their own blog….. just when we thought you couldn’t stoop to new lows, you always seem to prove us wrong. Nice to see some things never change.

  9. Ouch!! That’s OK, I for one love them. I like the finger grooves, love the simplicity of them, and am not bothered by the grip angle. I actually wanted to buy an M&P 9, and I mean REALLY wanted to buy one. I went with money in my pocket and everything. They just didn’t feel comfortable in my hand. The trigger didn’t feel as smooth and what bothered me most was the trigger reset wasn’t as pronounced as I’d like. Most of those can be overcome with training and familiarity with the gun. In the end, I left without spending any money on the M&P. I haven’t given up on them yet, though. I’m waiting for a Shield since I hear they have better triggers and I want a smaller framed 9mm. I agree that the textured grip of the Gen4’s is not comfortable at all and my Glock 27 has pinched my pinkie a time or two, but I love my Gen3 17 and carry it full time. It does suck to be lumped with the fanboys and especially mall ninjas just because I like something that you dont. 😦

    1. Sergio, I totally agree with you about the trigger on M&Ps vs. Glocks. My full sized M&P is a ProSeries so it came with a much nicer trigger than the standard, my compact has an Apex trigger kit in it and the Shield has a really audible reset (thought I’m thinking of putting the Apex kit in that too.. it’s a sickness..)

      Also, you don’t seem like a fanboy because you are reasonably discussing the things you do and don’t like about various pistols in a very even-keeled way. And I didn’t seem to alienate you by sharing my opinion. My beef is with the people who won’t hear the merits of anything but a Glock.

      1. Well I was going to comment that “the desert eagle is the best gun cause on Call of Duty..” but then I remembered I’m an adult. I think if I can ever find a local dealer that carries one, I’m going to buy the shield. If I still don’t like the trigger I’ll get an APEX trigger kit since I’ve heard good things from then. As a side note, I’m super excited to be getting the belt loops soon.

  10. Just a hillbilly’s opinion, but I think a Glock has no soul. Some guns are quirky, some stoic and faithful. But a Glock seems like a mass produced hunk of toys-r-us piece of plastic, that while technically great, elicits no emotional response. A 1911 feels powerful, a Smith and Wesson revolver just feels right. A Glock, it’ll work, but beyond that, brings very little to the table. Granted none of these details can be measured, no charts can be made, but shouldn’t you like what you shoot? And yes, I’ve shot many, and own one. But I can’t tell you the last time it went to the range, I only hope they hold up to dust as well as its said they hold up to mud.

      1. The funny thing about people (ok, ONE of the funny things about people haha) is that they can find literally ANYTHING to be arrogant about. Guaranteed you’ll piss someone off.

  11. Great post! Glocks are good guns but aren’t for everyone. They do simplify the training process and are very reliable. I’ve successfully used them during qualifications but do not enjoy shooting them. I like Country Boys post about them having “no soul”! I’ve always thought of them as being like a Volvo – Boxy but good.

    1. Thanks, Erik! I can appreciate the merits of Glocks, but just can’t love them the way I do other guns. In terms of a car analogy, I think of them like a manual transmission Honda Civic– it’s the practical choice, but not necessarily the fun choice.

  12. I’ve always said, thats why Baskins Robins has thirty two flavors. Not everybody like vanilla, just like not everybody likes a Glock,including myself. Of course they’re reliable and very seldom seen in my shop for repair. But! I do more grip modifications on Glock pistols than any other,so it’s not just one or two people that find them a little hard to grip.

  13. I have a love/hate with Glocks. The grips are too big for my hands, so I have to compensate by changing my wrist angle which eventually aggravates my wrist and that “aggro grip texture” makes me feel like I’ve taken a cheese grater to my palm. Which normally would make me walk away, but the reality is that I can easily create a three inch grouping with that gun even on a bad day.

    My Makarov has more kick, but is just as accurate and easier on the hands and wrist.

  14. I understand you’re not liking the box. But I don’t think that you’re really excepting it for what it is and what it was designed to be. It’s an easy to shoot, easy to care for mindless gun. Let me clarify that last part. When I say mindless, I mean you don’t have to worry is this gun going to fire, is this going to give me problems exist when I needed the most, is it going to fail to perform. The answer all those or no

    1. I hear what you’re saying, Bill and I think as a tool, the Glock is a good pistol. My point is– for EDC I find that it’s important to choose a gun that is comfortable to shoot so you can/will practice regularly. I think Glock makes a lot of sales based strictly on reputation these days, even though it may not be the best gun for everyone.

      That being said, I went back to the range to shoot some more Glocks the day after I published this article and the 21 I was shooting jammed on my first magazine. No gun is perfect. It’s important to establish criteria and choose the firearm that best suits your needs.

      1. As I said before, there are dozens of models to choose from. You should be able to find a gun that looks, shoots, and feels good.

        “I’ve heard many Glock devotees confess that the shooting experience leaves much to be desired. Whiskey tango foxtrot, guys? Why are you so enthused about a gun that you don’t really like to shoot? Especially when there are so many other lightweight, reliable polymer pistols on the market today, and more being released all the time?”

        There are very few handguns I dislike shooting. I dislike the HK USP 45 and 45 Compact because the checkering digs into my fingers after 100 rounds. I dislike any 1911 with 20 LPI front strap checkering. I hate how the S&W M&P 45 Compact does not have a relieved trigger guard, but the full size does. Ruger P-Series have the same issue and they’re clunky…more like “Block” than Glock. CZ pistols dig into the web of my hand. The Colt XSE 1911, with duck-billed grip safety, is just as bad. I’ll take hammer bite from a 1911A1 over that!

        I don’t like shooting 357 Magnum from 12-14 ounce revolvers. My S&W model 58 in 41 Magnum was awful. It had no Tyler T-Grip and every shot caused the back of the trigger guard to batter my knuckles.

        Even worse are the “mini” guns. The Kel-Tec P380 was terrible with tiny grip and superlooooong trigger pull. I swear it refuses to fire. The Ruger LCP is a bit better, but the sights are awful. The SIG P230 or P232 was great for the first 10 rounds. The decocker was incorrectly placed and ripped open my trigger finger just below the knuckle. The SIG P220 (one of my favorites) has a “Single Action Only” model. It was a great concept, but the safety caused my thumb joint to crack with every shot because it was incorrectly placed. Browning High Powers are great until a left handed shooter does a speed reload. The slide sliced open all four finger pads!

        It goes on and on. Everyone likes to bash Glock, but they forget about all the other guns out there with various failings.

      2. Ask any Police department what their issue Hand Gun, and back up is and they will tell you GLOCK. I have a Glock 23 that fits my hand like a glove.never bites me, just point and shoot, center bull. There seems to be a lot of wimps out there that sure could have used a tour in the ” United States Marines “

  15. First and formost I carry 1911’s all ways will. But I cannot fail to have a love hate relationship with the black plastic guns. I have owned two Glocks and the 26 once I had the grip reduced was fun to shoot, as much as I do not like Glock I have alot of respect for a tool that always works no matter what. I’m sure there are ton’s of great guns out there, but since my and my family’s life may be on the line. I’ll lean on a Kimber or Glock!

  16. Well, this one brought out the comments, eh? I recently acquired a gun with sandpaper grips. I bought it cheap, so I didn’t feel bad about taking some genuine sandpaper and smoothing down the rough surfaces. That was more for the skin along my waist when using an inside-the-waistband holster than for my hands. But this is why variety is a good thing. I couldn’t wear the shoes that you wear, more than likely. Give the people real options and let them decide what they want to buy.

  17. I have a Glock 19 Gen 3. It doesn’t have the angry spikey grip that the Gen 4’s have, I’ve never experienced the shifting between the mag and the mag well.

    Not trying to sell you on the Glock 🙂 Just pointing out the differences. It’s why I won’t buy a Gen 4.

    1. The comments on this article have been so helpful for me. I love when an opinion sparks a debate and then practical, useful information is exchanged. No one gun is right for every person in every situation. It’s nice to hear both the good and the bad before making such an important decision. Thanks for your input.

      1. Rebecca,
        I know i’m a little late on this one, but I’m in the same boat as you. I’m not a Glock fan either and do agree that you really need to find gu that “fits” you. I’m personally a Walther fan.. I can hear the cringes now… Most people don’t like them due to where the mag release is, but I actually find it more tactically.. friendly? I can change mags and still stay on target easily. I personally own two, a P99-AS and a my Carry Conceal a Walther PPS. (Both hamerless and use strikers) Both 9mm, Not going to go into the whole stopping power argument, but it it’s still twitching.. Pull the trigger again.
        The thing I love most about the P99 is the ergonomics of the grip, feels really comfortable in your hand and well.. just.. fits..

        The PPS is more designed for Carry Conceal / functionality. But I still love it. Only a inch wide (so a really thin gun) and short barrel.. so if you’re going to go .40, it’s going to be a little snappy when you fire it.

        But if you have the chance or option, try a Walther and see what you think.

  18. Hahaha I have a Glock 26 and it pinches like crazy! That part made me laugh when I read what you wrote, so true! I solved the issue by putting a band-aid on my finger when I head to the range. 😉 My boyfriend has a larger Glock that shoots like a dream, forgot the number, but fullsized and .45. Gloacks aren’t my favorite but they function well. They are a bit blocky and boring looking – but so darned dependable and simple!

  19. I’m not going to get up on a Glock high horse. I have the option of carrying several different calibers and gun platforms, from Sig to S&W to Glock. To me it has more to do with your hand size and shape when you find the “Goldilocks” gun for you. I have tried, to fall in love with the Shield, I really have. For me the Shield feels unstable in the webbing between my thumb and forefinger,no matter how hard I grip it, whereas the Glock 26 fits like a like the polymer was poured just for my hand. When I grip the Glock 26 my pinkie is able to grab purchase, so I don’t use an extended mag. No extended mag no pinching, so I can’t speak to that. Since the weapon feels great in my hand my perceived recoil is not like yours. My perceived recoil with S&Ws on the other hand is all over the board, with Sigs not so much.

    Its not that I think that Glocks are the end-all-be-all of fine weaponry. They just are perfect for me.

  20. I’m not going to get up on a Glock high horse. I have the option of carrying several different calibers and gun platforms, from Sig to S&W to Glock. To me it has more to do with your hand size and shape when you find the “Goldilocks” gun for you. I have tried, to fall in love with the Shield, I really have. For me the Shield feels unstable in the webbing between my thumb and forefinger,no matter how hard I grip it, whereas the Glock 26 fits like a like the polymer was poured just for my hand. When I grip the Glock 26 my pinkie is able to grab purchase, so I don’t use an extended mag. No extended mag no pinching, so I can’t speak to that. Since the weapon feels great in my hand my perceived recoil is not like yours. My perceived recoil with S&Ws on the other hand is all over the board, with Sigs not so much.

    Its not that I think that Glocks are the end-all-be-all of fine weaponry. They just are perfect for me.

  21. I can empathize a bit with the felt recoil but I guess Glocks are still a new animal to me (I’ve owned nothing but Sigs in the past). In the end, I was enamored by the utility of the Glock 19. Although it is a decidedly ugly firearm, it has a decent/ durable finish, light weight, high capacity and more accurate than I am capable. I suppose there was a Zombie Apocalypse running through my subconscious then I made the decision to purchase one.

  22. Glock popularity!!! You have probably noticed that anything that is inexpensive is going to become very popular in this country. No municipality is going to issue Kimbers at $1200 each, to their officers, when they can get Glocks for a third the price…and It has nothing to do with any other issue. The fact that it is uniquely unsafe is never mentioned but the per-capita accidental discharge rate probably exceeds any other handgun in history. To wit, the TRIGGER CAN NEVER BE THE SAFETY. If you haven’t purchased a Glock yet, do this exercise. Take a single-action revolver, load every chamber with a live round, pull the hammer back to full cock and now, put it in your belt! The rules are exactly the same…just don’t touch the trigger! It’s amazing the number of people, long familiar with firearms, including police officers, who have shot themselves with their newly issued Glocks. You can even watch them doing it on YouTube!

  23. I was 49 years old (female) when I decided that I wanted to learn to shoot, and get a gun, so I read up on the topic, and knew that I would have to actually shoot guns before I could pick one out. For various reasons, I decided I wanted a pistol rather than a revolver for a first gun. I went to a local gun range and rented two pistols per day for 4 days in a row. The first day I rented a Glock 19 and a Glock 26. The second day I rented the Glock 19 and a Kahr P9. The third day I rented the Glock 19 and a Rueger LCP. The fourth day I rented the Glock 19 and a Sig Sauer P226. Then I tried a friend’s Beretta and his Smith&Wesson M&P. I kept renting the Glock 19 because I just really liked it! I ended up buying the Glock 19 and a Kahr P9, and to this day when I go to the range I can’t wait to shoot my Glock – it feels great in my hands. I guess it just depends on how one’s hands are shaped or how long your fingers are, or just how it feels? I LOVE my Glock (and I knew nothing about guns before I started “shopping”). Now that I’ve learned more, I appreciate the knowledge that they are easy to clean and maintain, and they have a reputation for dependability. My Kahr is a bear to clean compared to my Glock.

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